Chris Evans Part 2: Finding Your Audience and Putting Yourself Toward Them

In Part Two of our interview with songwriter Chris Evans form Audiogust (again, not to be confused with the actor known for playing Captain America), we talk more deeply about there being a lot of great music for everybody to listen to, but when artists in bigger than ever numbers have the access to reach everybody, how do they make themselves stand out?

We also discuss moments of creativity, female musicians, music from current and past bands that succeeded in finding their audiences, and is Spotify the best streaming app for artists?

Transcript

Welcome To The Fishbowl

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Attention on the fishes in the sea.

SPEAKER_01 0:04

Welcome to the fishbowl.

SPEAKER_00 0:08

And yeah, and so it's you know, it's it's it's really great to be able to have that level of of of access that we've never had before. And it's all about about okay, how do how do how do we find the people who like it?

SPEAKER_01 0:21

And and that's where that's where I like I I would like to come in, and not just for audio gus, but I I started doing this for the last two most recent band interviews. One from uh that that Shauna um represents, Tombstones in their eyes, a great West Coast psychedelic rock band. Uh, and I just I love to try and feature artist music like is as if like it it was a radio show, only like it's a podcast, you know. So I'm a big fan of again trying to help, you know, artists get their stuff out there. And if you know I can help, you know, bring more listeners or

Getting Great Music To Listeners

SPEAKER_01 1:10

get new people into music that they may not know otherwise. And just like we were talking about, there is a lot of great music out there, but it's how do you get it out there into the the ear, you know, right, right. The eyes and ears of the listeners. There's so much good music, especially rock and roll. Like rock and roll is it's always been there, you know, maybe lurking in the shadows or swimming in the deep depths of the sea, whatever. But I see like a huge resurgence of rock kind of coming back in like a new era. And one thing I wanted to comment on that you were talking about with streaming and stuff like that, and again, kind of being ahead of the game with stuff. I had this conversation with another musician during another interview, but I wanted to see what your take on it was with all with everything that has come about since like the 2000s, end of the 90s and in the 2000s, the rise of Spotify, Bandcamp, SoundCloud, Amazon Music, you know, all the the streaming apps, and like you even said, it might be too easy to get some stuff on there. But even with that being said, I kind of look at that as like I think it took a good 20 to 25 years for everything to kind of reset. Because I, you know, a lot of the lot of the bands from the 90s when Napster came out and like the the downloading stuff, torrent stuff, they all claimed that was like the end of rock and roll. It was a big hit, which it was. I can I can see that for sure. But now, I mean, you even said like Spotify streaming services in general are like the new way to kind of like have the most access to get your music out there, and the trouble is is that there's so much of it, how do you get it out there and to the right audiences and all that? And I am a rare breed, I think a dying breed, honestly. I'm one of those people that if I see a band has you know a track that's six minutes or longer, or a live album where you know they're playing for like 10 minutes or longer, you know, if they hit that like 15 mark, you know, and then if they go past that 15 mark, you know, I'm like, holy crap, this is like this is what music is supposed to be. You know, I I'm a fan of jam bands, I'm a fan of, you know, not just old jam bands, but new jam bands and upcoming jam bands, and just you know, like I like I like to think of myself as like a sponge in terms of like absorbing as much diverse, you know, musical influences as I can. And I just think that like with streaming being like at least for the next like or the here and now, I should say, it's it is I think what took like a good 20, 25 years to like just reset. And now, since everybody has access, it's like rock and roll, you know, it's like it's it's kind of like the days of Henry Rollins and Black Flag, and you know, where it was like, you know, playing for stuff and doing stuff just to get your music out there. And while radio may have limitations, podcasts, you know, and streaming media has much more options to they have the same, they have the same challenge that music has, right?

SPEAKER_00 5:10

I mean, anybody can put a podcast up there and you can get it to the exact same everybody as you know, as anybody, you know, as any of the you know, the major media outlets doing people who do podcasts well, and you can get to the same way, except for now you're one of you know millions and millions of podcasts. And so how do the people who want to

Streaming Reset After Napster

SPEAKER_00 5:30

listen to what you have to say find you? And you're you know, you're in the exact same boat that that we're all in with our bands, which is okay, how do I get the people to who want to hear what I have to say to know and come look for you know the fishbowl? And yeah, it's it's it's all the same challenge for the same reason. And in the end, it's all coming from the same pot of money. And you know, it the funny thing is that you know, I've I'm seeing all these TV streaming services, the, you know, the Paramount Pluses and the Disney Pluses and those kinds of things, they keep getting more expensive. And strangely, and Spotify's price is going up some.

unknown 6:02

Right.

SPEAKER_00 6:03

Apple's music price has gone up some. But it seems to me that Spotify's price is still too low. Now, the thing that bothers me is that if they increased it a lot, they wouldn't give that money to on to the artists or the labels or whoever, they would just keep it for themselves or for their shareholders, which is terrible. Seems to me that they should have a cap on the amount of money they could make as a percentage, which should be something in the, I don't know, above their cost, 20% or something like that. Whatever. I mean, they should be able to make some money. They're they're doing a useful thing, they're working on technology. Spotify is way better than any other service in terms of introducing people to new music that is the actual type that they would like. So it is it is ridiculously good at that. And that I appreciate about Spotify. The fact that they, you know, don't pay you unless you've had over a thousand streams on each song in the past 12 months, which means you can get above that number and then it falls down below that number, and they just stop paying you for that song from that point on, is criminal to me. But they're the only place that you can actually have people who will who will who could be exposed to you who were the right people, and they're really good at that. And if they charged $30 a month for their service instead of 12 or whatever it is, a lot of people would complain, certainly. Right. But it seems to me that the music is so much more important to me than any of those other TV shows, streaming services. That because I listen to more of it and I sp and it and it has a bigger impact on me. And it is, you know, when I listen to Spotify, it's everything. Like if I watch, if I subscribe to Paramount, I'm only getting CBS shows and Paramount shows. I don't get anything else, right? And then I gotta go do that again for HBO. I gotta do it again for Disney, I gotta do it again for the next one. When I do it with Spotify, I get everything, right? I get all the labels. You know, Warner doesn't have their own separate one you got to go do. They all go through the same one. And so it strikes me is that that is probably the most important and valuable because music means more than an awful lot of TV shows do. And now, this is me. I mean, there are people who are crazy into certain TV shows and way more so than music, and so they would certainly think differently, which is totally reasonable. But for me and for an awful lot of people, music is is life is is is incredibly just this a core component of of how they think and how and what they are and how and and how they've experienced life and how they remember life. And so being able to access that much of it through a service is way more valuable than what we're being charged for it right now. And you know, if they could get to something like $30, but have still, you know, if if the difference between what they take in now and that all went to the artists based on, you know, streams and those kinds of things, it would be game-changing, right? You can imagine, you know, four times as much money coming out to artists and songwriters and you know, and and producers, it would make it so much easier to keep doing that. Right.

SPEAKER_01 8:59

And podcasters for that matter.

SPEAKER_00 9:01

Yeah, and and the amount of money that that it's still less than you know what we used to spend on CDs in a month, right? Right back when those were coming out. Those were those were what seven to ten dollars at a time back in the nineties. And so you'd if you get three of them a month, it would be thirty dollars, and you only got three CDs in that time for thirty dollars. Uh you get everything for thirty dollars, is still a hell of a deal. And if it weren't for the fact that they would just go and say, Oh great, we will continue to pay, you know, what three tenths of a cent per stream, and now we're gonna take three times as much money and we're gonna just sort of use it to invest in death or whatever, that would be worthless. But if if they actually could turn that into money that comes back to the artists, that would be great. The alternative is another one of these streaming services gets as good as Spotify does at actually exposing people to new music and stuff that they're gonna like that they just don't know that they love yet. And it would be wonderful if if more of them could. If Apple could go and do that, that'd be great. But Apple Music strikes me as it's it's a great service to go to for people to listen to the music they already know that they like. And it's there and it sounds great, and all those things are good, but it doesn't do a good job of exposing people. If you go look at my thing on Apple Music and go look at the oh, are there artists like this? What you find is other artists with a similar number of listeners. Yes, yes. And on Apple Music, that number to me, for me, is tiny compared to what it is on Spotify, because they don't find those people. And so it's you know, if if someone else could go and and and solve that in a way that is as effective as what Spotify does, they could, you know, potentially be the one that everyone everyone should go to. And I see a lot of people complaining about Spotify and canceling their Spotify membership because you know, Daniel Eck is investing in murder drones and military equipment, stuff like that, which I can certainly see being quite unhappy with. That's what your money's going to. Okay, but if you don't go to Spotify, you're you know, if you go to something else, you're not gonna find me because unless you know, and if you don't know who I am, or you don't know what Audio Gust is or what I do, then why would you go and look for my name out of the you know millions of other opportunities out there? And being able to have, you know, whenever you play a playlist or whatever on on Spotify, if you just sort of let it keep going, they'll just sort of fall into radio mode and they'll just

Spotify Discovery Versus Artist Pay

SPEAKER_00 11:20

sort of start playing things and they kind of know what is you like and they do a better job of knowing what any given song is, not who the artist is or what this genre name is or those kinds of things. It's actually looking at what is this music, what is it about this music, and what are other things like it. And then as they put those things, you know, things you listen to or the things you say, no, and and like when you skip on Spotify, it doesn't mean I'll never like listening to it. It means I don't like listening to it right now. That's the huge difference that most of them don't get. They think, oh, skip is I don't like this. And the difference between I don't like this and I don't want to hear this right now is huge, right? And so the day lists on Spotify where they they acknowledge we know, and again, some of it's just a bunch of BS, which is fine, but it's just acknowledging the fact that you know, every three hours of the day, the thing that you're into will shift, and the day of the week matters. And, you know, like the things you listen to when you're commuting is different from the stuff you listen to when you're cleaning or just chilling or whatever. And acknowledging that and then saying, okay, where is not just is this the right song, but when is this the right song for this person? And focusing on how do we make that work. Same thing with podcasts, right? It's like when is the right time to listen to the fishbowl versus listening to anything else? You know, that's the thing that they've done a better job than most on. And, you know, if if that can be spread more, then the other ones start to have a better chance, and they certainly they pay better and they care more about the artists, and that's good. But the fact that they don't know how to, you know, get that out there and and and can't have the impact yet that Spotify has is just an opportunity for them to all get better.

SPEAKER_01 12:59

I completely agree with that. Everything you said about Spotify. I mean, spot uh I was hesitant for a long time about getting Spotify for like various reasons, like why I have to pay to listen to music, blah blah blah. Right, right, you know, but one, I'm on Spotify. The fishbowl is on Spotify. Two, and more importantly, which really should be one, and then the grandiose one is that the thing you said about how introducing what your profile is, what you like to listen to, not just me, not just you, but everyone, what everyone likes, personal preferences, what they like more versus something else. I have discovered and keep discovering more and more excellent musicians, excellent bands of all sorts of different genres. Everything from shoe gaze to heavy metal, doom metal, every variation of metal you could think of, stoner rock, stoner metal, retro rock theme stuff, which I also see as a big re-emerging genre, is like music that sounds like it's from the 60s or 70s, but it's like a more fusion of all those bands. Yeah, yeah. That's like another big kind of rock genre I see emerging now. You know, it's it's I I I disagree a hundred percent with everything you said about Spotify, and I wouldn't be opposed after seeing how useful it is in terms of keeping my music knowledge and interest alive with all the music, again, versus film, because just like you also said with all the the TV streaming apps, they really aren't putting out. I mean, I have uh, you know, Paramount Plus, I have an HBO Max, I have, you know, a few other ones, but you know, I grew up in the age of where movies were movies, you know, and more art, art tasteful, and it wasn't all about, you know, money making the world go round. It's about that, but still. Yeah, well, yeah, that's true. That's true. It's always been about that. But I should say in the 80s and 90s and even 70s, 60s, there was a lot more creative freedom, I think. And Frank Zappa, even I I'm not gonna quote it exactly, but there's an interview he did. He was basically saying that I think it was the 80s, and he was saying that the you know guys who were signing all the bands, including him and every, you know, major rock band icon from the 60s and 70s that you know is like infamous now. We're just taking a chance, basically. They didn't know if it was gonna sell, they didn't, you know, have any indication of, you know, they was just like, eh, let's give it a shot, you know, and that's what came out of it. Yeah. Now that was great.

unknown 16:19

Right.

SPEAKER_00 16:19

It was it was still very limited, right? I mean, there's only so many they could do that on. And they could go and take a shot, and occasionally they worked, and most of them didn't. And and yeah, and so it was it was it's sort of interesting to look at that. And now, and now, you know, people look at the the the labels are way more risk-averse. They still make a lot of bad choices on there, but they

What Music Should Cost

SPEAKER_00 16:40

start at least from looking at you know your social media scores, which is a totally different thing, honestly. And if you have a big following on social media, like, well, at least they have a way to go and find so basically you still have to go find your own audience now. They don't help them all with it. Right. They'll take the same percentages they used to take, but they won't even do they won't even, you know, find your audience for you and help you find your audience anymore. They'll just take the money. And so it's it's it's it's yeah, because again, they don't they don't have the cost that they used to have, they don't need to press all the labels or press all the vinyl anymore, they don't need to get all of those records into distribution anymore. They just do the same thing that I do, which is upload it to the to the strip, you know, to the services. It's right ridiculously easy. Uh and they can do they can put a lot of money into marketing and and in developing an artist and stuff like that. But since they wait until you already are one of those before they they go and do that, it's you you don't necessarily need them at that point. If you're right, if you're if you're the type of artist that the labels are like, we're really wanting a lot of money, you're that's probably the perfect opportunity to go, oh great, I've already made it. I I'm not gonna get anywhere with this, but they're gonna take the money if I go do it with them. Exactly. They'll you know, they'll give me 10% more for 90% less. And does it sound like it'll have a label deal? I don't.

SPEAKER_01 17:50

Well, I well, I I think I even remember hearing, I forget who said it, but it was someone said something about Michael Jackson's thriller. And well, Michael Jackson, you know, love him, hate him, whatever. You can't argue with the success. Well, exactly. That's that's just what I was about to say. You can't argue with the impact of his music to this day and and what he started. Because every boy band that came out in the the 90s up to now, whether it's male, female, pop star, whatever, is pretty much due to him. And you can say probably Madonna also is a big big one for female artists. She was right.

SPEAKER_00 18:33

Yeah, yeah. There's the the the strength that she showed to get to where she is took a level of of you know of savvy and strength and all of those things that that that most people didn't have. And that's how she got to be who she is. But yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:49

Exactly, exactly. Really, I would say those two. I would say Michael Jackson for like the pop boy bands and Madonna for the female pop singers.

SPEAKER_00 19:00

But like there's lots of other ones you could see along the way that that may have been like Alanis Marset for a certain style of things. Yes, yes, and just you know, people who were PJ Harvey in the night also in the 90s. There's a bunch of folks who who who, yeah, at each stage sort of did a little bit more. Rarely, honestly, is that there's someone who completely changes it. It's it's a sort of a a lot of people adding a little bit more, and eventually you get to a place that's better. The the the number of women who are who are performing these days, and like the number of all women bands, and you know, one of the things that if you listen to a lot of my music, you'll see that the the people that I have helping me out, most of the stuff I do is my own, but I don't sing like what a woman sings like. And so I'll have a lot of you know guest artists who sing just amazingly, and and I'll write with them or just have them sing on some of the songs, or both. And yeah, and I just love it. I mean, if if if I was gonna go have a band, I would love to have an all-women band because it's just something that is you know, that there's just so many great player musicians out there and all different instruments now that just that wasn't the case. And they may have wanted to be, but there were never opportunities before, and there are more increasingly now. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 20:16

Exactly. I was even gonna comment on that, especially in rock. Like, one thing I'm seeing way more prominent over the last like five years is it's either like

Labels, Risk Aversion, And DIY Audiences

SPEAKER_01 20:30

female musicians who are the singers play whatever instrument backed by all guys, or it's you know, an all all female group, just in no guys, but but either way, the female like rise or resurgence or surgeons, I should say, and and just also hearing like I mean, I want to say more of the bands I listen to, whether it's shoe gaze or you know, more alternative rock and roll, new wave grun sounding, is is more female dominant than male dominant.

SPEAKER_00 21:08

Yeah, I love seeing that. I mean it's one of these things is like, oh, that doesn't necessarily help me, but I don't but I love seeing it, right? And there's a young singer named Avalon Stone who I did a little bit of writing with, and she just you know got picked up by a label and she's amazing and just has this this fantastic sound. There's Liliana Tani who writes and I and and sings on a bunch of my things, who's you know, 17. I think she'll be 18 soon, but she's just an absolutely amazing singer. I found her on threads, just sort of, and we were all sort of chatting hoo-hoo-hoo. And I was like, her voice is amazing. And we wrote a song together that she released, and then she sang on a few or more of mine, and like she's just so good. And yeah, so it's just it's great to see, you know, so many great, you know, women really sort of making their mark and coming out and you know, every you know, from wet legs. Or all, you know, all sorts of different bands and that have not just, you know, a a woman singer, but guitar players and bass players and drummers. And you know, you go back and see bands like the go-go's, right? Where it's like, or the back of the in the 80s, where it's like, oh, whoa. And did you know the question was always, did they actually play in the studio? Yes, they did. But you know, it was you know, you could you could literally go, oh, there's two, and now there's thousands. Right. And that's right. And I don't know anywhere near where the number is, but it's it's growing and it's becoming more just normal. And that's wonderful.

SPEAKER_01 22:33

And and thank you for mentioning wet leg, by the way. I I I really want to interview them bad. They are like, speaking of new wave grunge, yeah, they are like the the proof that like if they can win a Grammy, you know, with their baby album.

SPEAKER_00 22:50

I haven't heard this before. This is different, right? Yeah, yeah. And you know, and and most of the time when you hear that, there it's a you know, it was the same thing when I listened to to, you know, never mind. It was just different. Nirvana didn't sound like anything else, they were a different thing. Right. And clearly there were all sorts of influences that you could see came into that, but it was it was just a different thing when that happened. The police were a different thing. Uh you know, and so uh wet leg is a different thing.

SPEAKER_01 23:22

And and and I'll name uh two more female fronted bands backed by all guys, both from Australia. Full Flower Moon Band. I'm not sure if you're familiar with them. Awesome, awesome rock and roll. Again, it's it's their second album, a little more darker, but still like it's like has that that element that only like Australia rock can have. The other one, I apologize if I'm mispronouncing the name of the band. It's Amy with an L at the end. So I'm not sure if that's Emile, but it's Emile and the Sniffers.

SPEAKER_00 24:03

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:03

Uh yeah, they they and I think both Full Flower Moon Band and Emile and the Sniffers just won like the Australian version of like the Grammys. And both just huge, huge. I mean, I I see like the the audiences that both bands are drawing. Full Fire Moon Band has that like real raw, kind of like old school rock and roll energy. And meal and the sniffers has that very like ACDC punk rock, you know, just energy when she goes on stage and performs same thing when you see wet leg perform and everything. It's like I just really happy to see not just like

Women Reshaping Modern Rock

SPEAKER_01 24:50

rock and roll re-emerge, but like we were talking about, like female-fronted, female kind of like artists rising and kind of being like the new generation, next generation of like rock stars.

SPEAKER_00 25:04

Yeah, like like and going back a little bit, you you mentioned Amy L or and but it made me think of Evanescence, right? It was the same idea. Yes, yes, like when they came out, it was like, what's this? I mean, this is sort of gent metal, but with classical themes and with her singing in a way that you just hadn't heard in that type of music before, and it was like undeniably amazing, and it still is. And yeah, so it's like you see these these these moments happen, and you never quite know when they're gonna happen. Even for me, like writing things, it's like when I I keep right putting out songs or writing songs that I'm like, this one's different. I'm not sure about this one. This is weird, but maybe weird is the just the new, right? And right, right. You know, it's it's blending a couple of things. I've had a few songs recently where it's like, is this a rock song or is this Broadway? I can't quite tell. Like, this could be the beginning of a, you know, some show. In fact, a lot of this the album, Here We Go Again, is you know, it's about that sort of inspiration of of you know of of the muse or whatever it is, right? Being sort of inspired by some moment. And suddenly there's a song that's in your head, and you go and do it, and you're like, okay, well, I wonder where that came from. I'm like, because I didn't sit there and go, okay, now I'm going to now work out the song and I'm going to go write it. It's like I woke up at three in the morning and there was this idea in my head about what this song is about. And then the words kept coming into my head, like really quickly. And suddenly I had, you know, a chorus and three verses, and I'm like, I need to write this down. Right, right. I don't know where this is coming from right now, but I like it. And when those moments happen, so it's about those sort of moments of creativity and when they come and when they don't come, and when they came before, and you wish they would come again, but where are they? It's and so if you look at that album, actually, every the all of the odd numbered songs are about that theme, and the even numbered songs are ones that came to me in that way or were somehow connected to it on the other side of that. Little hack on that album. But some of those songs, it's like this is almost Broadway song, like the opening one, Here We Go Again. It's like this could be just the beginning of a Broadway play about inspiration, a musical, you know, inspiration, right? Because it's basically me going, Oh, hi, you know, muse or whatever it is. It's 3 a.m. Yes, here you are. Okay, I'm going to listen closely because I really don't want you to stop coming. But it sure is early. But okay, here we are. Right. Let's let's catch this moment. And that actually happened with the song called Bubbling Your Champagne, which is the second song in the album, where it literally was just, it was like pouring out in my head at 3 a.m. when I sort of woke, and I literally had to get up. Okay, I need to I need to go write down all these ideas because this is really good, I think. And the next day I came in here and recorded recorded it, and it's pretty much the one that is on the album there, which is my most streamed song. So it's like, you know, I don't know where this came from, honestly. And I don't know that I could make that happen again in the same way, but part of it is just being prepared for when those moments happen to let them happen and to capture them and to be ready for it. And the general view I have on the whole sort of concept of the muse or the inspiration is if you're ready for it when they come, when it comes, it'll keep coming. And if you aren't ready for it, or you ignore it, or you say, Yeah, yeah, I'll get that later, and then you don't, then the muse will go, Oh, I'm gonna go with someone who cares. And that's what the song Dead to Me on that album is about, which is basically, I mean, it sounds like it's not about that, but if you look at it with that, I love writing songs that clearly are about this one thing. But if you get this one little extra bit of, oh, by the way, maybe it's about this other thing, you can go, oh my god, it's about that too. So you could look at the song Dead to Me and be about someone who's sort of being ghosted by some

The Muse, 3 A.M. Songs, And Staying Ready

SPEAKER_00 29:00

and I again, this is when I had Liliana sing on because it seemed more like a song that a woman would sing than a guy would sing. And if it's about your typical relationship, yeah, it would be much more likely that a guy is gonna ghost some girl in some way and she's gonna be like, what the hell's wrong with you? Uh but also it could equally be about, okay, she's the muse and she's trying to provide something to some person, but they're like ignoring her. And she's like, okay, I don't know what's wrong with you. I'm trying to give you a brilliant song. If and if you don't, fine. You're dead to me. I'm gonna go to someone else. I'm gonna give someone else's ideas from now on. And you're just but like if you're not there to receive those ideas, if you're not open to to what inspiration has to bring you at the point where it comes to you, then that might be the last chance you get. And so you need to always be sort of ready for that, which is one of the great things about mobile phones, is I've always got my notebook with me.

SPEAKER_01 29:53

I'm 100% with you. I actually went to school for screenwriting here in Pittsburgh, and I have a few things published on Amazon as like an ebook. I I I totally relate to writing and you know, capturing your own ideas and what that, you know, how's how that is unique and how that can translate to whether it's film or music. There's always some sort of niche genre or popular genre, but everything is like so subjective in the arts that it's great because there's always some sort of audience for what you're trying to put out there. And I'm gonna end on that note because I have about 15 minutes before I gotta get the next banana on the show, the swim in the bowl.

SPEAKER_00 30:45

If you start talking, we'll it'll take a long time to stop.

SPEAKER_01 30:48

Right, right, right, right. So if you could plug uh your socials and where like people can check out Audio Gust, subscribe, become listeners, all that.

SPEAKER_00 30:59

Yeah, I'm on Instagram at Audiogust Music. I'm on Facebook at Audiogust. You can search me there as well. Those are all sort of connected threads as well. Not really on Twitter. I mean, technically I'm there, but I'm just not there these days. And and you can also go to audiogust.com, which is my website, and get to everything from there. Uh, you can get to um Bandcamp, audiogust.bancamp.com. Yeah, so I'm on all those places, but the the website is the sort of, you know, everything will sort of be up there first. And of course, you know, just search Audio Gust. And one of the nice things about it, unlike the name Chris Evans, of which there are way too many of us everywhere. Uh I'm one of the only audio gusts that I've found, which is part of the reason that I used that name. Uh and if anybody's wondering, this guy's the real Captain America. That's right. This is this is I actually I I did do the movies. It's makeup is amazing these days. I can they can make you look totally different. Actually, one of my favorite Chris Evans movies is Scott Pilgrim, which is brilliant.

SPEAKER_01 31:56

Love it. That talk about musical out soundtrack. Yes, yes, and another one I like of his uh before he was famous was cellular, going back to the the 2000s. It's a dated movie now because of the advancement in cell phones and stuff, but it's a fun little action movie, and I think it's the only official action movie where Jason Statham played a villain and not uh not the hero or the anti-hero character persona. Worth checking out, fun little action movie, and actually has a uh few stars in it besides him. But follow Chris, audio gus, follow the fishbowl. Chris, thank you so much for taking the time to swim in the bowl with me. I hope the temperature was just right.

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Take my flippers off soon and get all the pruny out.

SPEAKER_01 32:54

Excellent. And and I I would the the conversation was excellent. I hate to be cutting it as short as I am, which only leads me to say I'd love to

Plugs, Farewell, And Merch Support

SPEAKER_01 33:05

have you on the show again anytime and continue chatting and even staying in touch. Who knows? Some of the stuff we talked about might be the next next head of the game app thing. So, Chris, thank you so much. It is it's been a pleasure.

SPEAKER_00 33:19

Thank you. I appreciate it. It's been it's been a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_01 33:21

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